Friday, March 7, 2014
· Jennifer Stark I should make a "I don't need feminism" page.
Richard Fredlund oh you met her then
Brett Allgood Lovely....
Hayden Gardner faux feminism
Jason Voluntaryist D'Ambrosio PYG! YONY SYSTERS MUST UNYTE AGAYNST PATRYARCHY!
Eliza Divine No matter what a group calls themselves, if there is a culture around them that suppresses what they try to say, then other people will not be receptive and will make excuses to uphold the status quo and put down the people that are already being put down, which is sort of what you just participated in Jennifer Stark.
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Sat Naam Using the term feminist isn't cutting oneself off from anyone, I understand what you are saying, but people use the term feminist more ^ in that regard.
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Karen Daskawicz Just getting back to this. This is from the pdf:
The following is a list of available statistics estimating the scope of Human Trafficking around the world and within the United States. Actual statistics are often unavailable, and some may be contra...See More
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Sat Naam Not to mention many men consider themselves feminist because they see at as a movement that promotes human rights and not a movement that promotes women.
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Eliza Divine Maybe it's called feminism and those men aren't afraid to be called feminists because previously, and even today, some men are told to squash anything inside of them that could be considered feminine, or seem feminine because to be female is, in some cases, even in our culture today, considered to be less. Such as it being considered a high insult to call a man a woman or a girl.
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Eliza Divine Karen, people are now in contact globally, and our cultures all influence one another, but we can keep it to only the US if you like, there is absolutely no shortage of objectification here.
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Karen Daskawicz OK, so if we are talking about rape culture and your claim that many of the women in rape porn videos are sex slaves and not willing paid actresses, I need some data so I can respond appropriately.
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Eliza Divine I gave you data on human trafficking and there's a host of websites online that you could use to research it. As far as whether the rape sites and which uses slaves and which uses models, I could privately point you to databases of thousands of them and you're welcome to go through and decide for yourself which groups are treating the women like human beings...that would be up to none of them...but more specifically which seem to be willing models and which seem to be unwilling. I am not an officer or an investigator in this matter, I pointed out a situation that is very likely and that I also know to have happened because in my teenage years I have run across some videos that were very very obviously not made with willing participants. If you would also like to take them as two different circumstances, then you may, because each one is debilitating enough to the way women are treated and whether or not they are regarded in general by some aspects of society as human beings capable of making their own decisions and capable of saying "no" to sex.
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Mark Graves Feminism ALWAYS portrays men out as rapists and criminals!
What about incidences when men are raped? Why isn't there outcry about that. Rape is bad of course but women aren't the only victims.
Also please do some research about the Wage Gap MYTH. The Huff post even did a write up of that garbage. Don't be ignorant.
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Jason Voluntaryist D'Ambrosio Whoa, whoa, whoa...THE HUFFINGTON POST? The same rag that has their heads so far up the Democratic Party's collective posterior wrote THAT?!?!
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Mark Graves And do you know how I prevent myself from being attacked in Somalia? I DONT fucking to there. That's how I prevent that violence. I avoid the Middle East because I don't want my head cut off either. Solves those problems.
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Sat Naam This just makes me sad to see how much misinformation is propagated through seemingly intelligent human beings. Feminists do fight for male birth control. Feminists do fight for violence against men. No one wants special treatment. Everyone wants inequality to disappear. I am not a feminist, I am a human being that supports other human beings that want to promote goodness. not condescension. respect for any and all.
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Karen Daskawicz Hahahahaha, Jason. I often quote HuffPo, but not before I do a general Google to make sure they have their facts straight. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Eliza Divine Mark, I do not work with any feminists or feminists group who paint men as all being rapists and criminals. I think you're falling for the straw feminist ideology. You're currently portraying all feminists to be something they are generally not, so it shouldn't be surprising that that happens sometimes, that people don't understand one another so they make up assumptions about who they are. I work with feminists who have this radical notion that men are also human beings capable of being non-violent towards other human beings, and that that should be expected as a norm for all society.
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Eliza Divine Also, Mark, I mentioned prison rape against large numbers of men in my examples of rape culture, because rape in those situations are considered a norm and not considered something that can and should be changed, which is...rape culture.
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Mark Graves http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2073804
Here's the liberal trash Huff post's article on the wage gap myth.
Wage Gap Myth Exposed -- By Feminists
Bypass the verbal sleights of hand and take a hard look at the numbers. Women are close to achieving the goal of equal pay for equal work. They may be there already.
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Sat Naam " Feminism ALWAYS portrays men out as rapists and criminals! "
I find it a little ironic that this statement was made followed by this one, "Don't be ignorant."
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Karen Daskawicz Seriously - what Sat said. Whenever I get the urge to use always or never, I stop, take a few deep breaths, and consider whether or not I can back that up.
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Eliza Divine Feminists are just usually the people who point out that it's actually a PROBLEM when men rape and attack women, and who actually stand up and say that something needs to change and be done about it, which is usually when the status quo society accuse them of being against men instead of being against violence.
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Mark Graves Feminists don't have to point that out. Normal people can figure that out. Jesus.
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Eliza Divine Feminists are normal people being treated as abnormal people because they work together in a movement to end the problem of violence.
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Mark Graves Feminism is trashy, it's for bearded men with slits between their legs.
Men want women, not butch females.
Women should be nurturing and kind, not bitter and vile.
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Mark Graves And yes what I just said is hateful and I reserve the right to be vile to vile creatures.
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Eliza Divine And "normal people," those well behaved men and women throughout history, have often been ignored or shunned or shamed for speaking up. This went on for hundreds of years. Normal people can speak up among people who aren't listening until they're blue in the face. It's usually when people get sick and tired of things the way they are, the status quo, and the fact that it was considered acceptable, when they gang together and create a movement is when they actually make history, make change, and are heard (but apparently still put down for what they're saying.) If it weren't for feminism, it would still be legal and culturally acceptable here for you or any other man to beat their wives. We now know that to be assault, because of feminism. We now don't consider that an acceptable part of our culture because of feminism. And you might not want to do all of those things, but chances are you might have been taught growing up not to do all those things because of these radical notions and these radical people.
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Sat Naam lol I don't understand why healthy conversation is so difficult on the internet. oh wait.
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Eliza Divine No, it's really not ok for you to be hateful or to say those kinds of things against good people working to be heard. You don't get to tell women what they do or do not want to be. You don't get to tell all men what they do or do not want. You are currently trying to treat those groups of women and men as less than human beings. And that statement, by the way, that you just made...is why I need and adore feminism.
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Eliza Divine I don't care if you or any other men want me to be more feminine and a little more quiet or to not call myself a feminist or to shave my armpits or laugh at your silliest jokes or tell you it's ok to hate on people who stand up for themselves. I would rather be a full Autonomous human being and be regarded as such, not as someone for society to dress up and have behave as they please because of nonsense cultural gender norms. Screw gender. I'm a human being, and I will behave as I choose. I will not harm and I will encourage others not to harm. I will not hate and I will encourage others not to hate. And yes, I will point out bigotry, double standards, and violence in our cultures and communities that are not acceptable.
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Mark Graves "Oh my god, in the past people were mean to this group or that group. Now we have to bitch about it and pass laws and push policies to make up for those transgressions. They deserve special treatment now and a pat on the back because someone in their lineage was treated badly at some point or another."
Yeah shit happened at some point and someone got shit on. Everyone has an ancestor that was treated bad at one point but that has no impact on your life at the present. Get over yourself.
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Mark Graves Why do women have smaller feet than men? So they can stand closer to the sink. Drumroll.
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Eliza Divine I'm using the past as an example because people tend to repeat it over and over again if its not pointed out and learned from. Here, in the present, I'm taking my life into my hands and keeping it right there where it belongs, and encouraging anyone else who has the courage to do so to do so.
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